Country NSW (Australia) powerwall

neilmc

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I've been collecting cells for a few months and I'm now up to the testing phase.

7S100P built so far with a capacity of about 215ah. I've got a lot of cells to process stillandshould have enough good ones for another 7S100P to add in the next little while.

I've got a recent install SMA 5kw inverter and 22 x 270w suntech panels. Adding battery to theSMA isn't that easy for DIY (and the officially supported battery integration is a silly price), so I'm leaving that alone. For now I've got a 900w APC SmartUPS 1500 as the inverter, and I've got a 240v 1500w 7S charger. The APC will be wired into a single outlet in our lounge room for now. There's a collection of media server gear etc which always draws 280w when no one is using the 55" TV or Xbox one. There's a collection of server stuff including about 28TB of NAS storage.

When there's more battery, I might add a MPP solar inverter and have it connected to lights and one power circuit. I may also add another 4 x 270w panels for the MPP to supplement the 240v charger.

Initially I can just put the charger on a timer and override it from my mobile with a sonoff adapter if the weather is bad. Medium term, I can connect the charger to the multifunction relay on the SMA (typically used for hot water systems when there is excess generation). The SMA relay is only rated for 1A @ 240v, so it needs an external relay between it and the load.

The first load test was with a 40" Samsung LCD and xbox 360 playing netflix with only 6S connected to the UPS. It ran for something like 10 hours, but that was only about a 150w load.

It's now running it's second load test connected to the lounge room media gear on 7S. The kids are using the TV, Xbox One and Yamaha receiver which don't typically run over night, so the load will be about 500-550w at the moment. Just over 1 hour in and the UPS fan is spinning slowly (about 22 deg Celsius ambient) and the metal case is cool to touch.

The load indicator on the UPS looks healthy. The battery level indicator on the UPS is useless, sitting at one bar to nothing, but it'll sit like that forever. I'm not worried about that. I've got a voltage sensing relay board in the UPS which will reconnect mains when the battery is below 23.5v and that's well above the UPS low voltage cut off. There's a sonoff wifi switch mounted in there as well, so I can set a timer to disconnect mains in typical non-solar generating hours (+ remote on off control to manually override if I want to)

So far so good :)

The next step is to mount it neatly somewhere. I've got an outside covered carport with a concrete slab. I'll probably put it out there in one of these:

https://www.bunnings.com.au/pinnacle-1830-x-860-x-410mm-lockable-garage-cabinet_p2583602

There's even a couple of pre-done power entry holes in the back of it.


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Does that UPS accept 29.4v from a full charged 7s pack?
 
Geek said:
Does that UPS accept 29.4v from a full charged 7s pack?

Luckily it does. It starts without any errors or problems. I initially tested it lithium drone batteries at 29.4v.

I think the highest I've had my 18650 battery on connection and startup was about 28.7. I'm planning to cut the charge a little short to extend the cell life and will probably discharge down to 3.3v per cell.
 
Geek said:
Does that UPS accept 29.4v from a full charged 7s pack?

Just an update on this. I'd tested the UPS starting up after connecting a fully charged 7S pack and it was happy.

Today I connected a 45 amp 7S charger to the battery with the UPS connected and on (mains connected and inverter off). It was happy until the input voltage reached 28.9v, and then all of the front panel lights started flashing. No smoke or problems generally aside from the flashing lights. It still functioned normally. If I pulled the mains to start the inverter, it kicked in normally and the flashing lights stopped. (no output load was connected to the UPS, just the inverter running)

If I turn off the charger with mains still connected, the flashing lights stop when it reaches a resting voltage of 28.4v. I guess it's not surprising, since these were designed for a few volts lower than a 7S lithium battery.

Maybe it didn't complain when connecting a fully charged 7S, because the resting voltage was low enough. Not sure.

While it gets a bit upset when the charger is connected and it comes up to 28.9v, nothing bad seems to happen. I might set the charger to cut off at 28.8v. The UPS is just a first step before adding one of the MPP solar inverters later on.
 
You "might" be able to adjust the upper voltage trigger on the UPS. But I don't know if it's possible. That might be one of the things that are hardwired into it. You're usually given a pretty decent buffer for over/under-voltage before bad things happen. The protection might be closer to 30V than what you are testing at. If you can adjust the setting, I'm sure the PowerChute software will tell you when it's dangerous to adjust to that level (I would hope so, anyways)

Good testing, though.
 
Korishan said:
You "might" be able to adjust the upper voltage trigger on the UPS. But I don't know if it's possible. That might be one of the things that are hardwired into it. You're usually given a pretty decent buffer for over/under-voltage before bad things happen. The protection might be closer to 30V than what you are testing at. If you can adjust the setting, I'm sure the PowerChute software will tell you when it's dangerous to adjust to that level (I would hope so, anyways)

Good testing, though.

I'll look into it a bit more. Only PowerChute pro is supported with this model and for some reason the pro client had trouble finding the UPS. I used an open source APC program (name escapes me right now) to disable the alert beeper. I might try to get powerchute pro working later.

Maybe something can be done similar to the hardware float voltage adjustments mentioned here

http://www.jjoseph.org/notes/apc_smartups_battery_float_voltage

It seems to be warning me at about 28.9v but still working normally. I might not tempt fate and avoid letting the charger run it up to 29.4v. I wanted to cut the charge at about 4-4.1v per cell anyway.
 
Is that the version for Server use? If not, see if you can use the version for communicating with Server UPS'. It's the software that AveRage Joe is using to program his unit and it has a lot more features
 
Korishan said:
Is that the version for Server use? If not, see if you can use the version for communicating with Server UPS'. It's the software that AveRage Joe is using to program his unit and it has a lot more features

It is the server UPS version that it's meant to work with. I'll try connecting it again.

The personal edition of Powerchute just says that theUPS isn't compatible with the personal edition. The open source software I used to turn off the beeper is pretty basic.
 
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